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Ann Higgins's avatar

It’s that aspect that worries me. Of course these are edited notes and may not be entirely accurate but if they are they show a large lacuna in the judge’s reasoning namely the effect on the victims, not only of the offences but also of having to give evidence and be cross examined.

Of course what a judge must not do is to increase a sentence due to a not guilty plea, but when I first heard about the sentence without knowing more of the background I assumed they had pleaded guilty and taken full responsibility for their crimes.

It “feels” wrong to me and I’m glad it’s been referred to the CA and I look forward to its adjudication.

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It is inherently unlikely that two main perpetrators started their offending with Rapes .There are some reports that at least one of them had engaged in crimes of violence and sexual harassment but was not charged presumably because the WOKE notion was not to Criminalize them .(There are reports that these previous crimes were not disclosed to the Court) .If so ,it seemed to have given these teenagers licence to graduate to more serious criminality presumably in the expectation the Court would go softly so as not to "criminalize" them. People who commit crimes must be punished .That punishment must be sufficiently strong as to deter them from the commission of crimes in the future and to deter others who might be inclined to criminal conduct .This was an horrific sentencing decision .It sends a message to teenage boys that rape will not land them in custody for period of years. The decision is a betrayal of the victims , their rights to justice and the wider community .To suggest that those who commit crimes, particularly serious crimes ,should avoid proper punishment because if some woke notion that they should not be "criminalized" is in my opinion grotesque and perverse. UNLESS wrongdoing is met with a commensurate adverse consequence there is no effective deterrent to future offending. This case is an exemplar of what happens when teenagers avoid proper punishment; it fuels escalation. It is no coincidence that this wrong headed sentencing guidance results in teenagers behaving in feral behaviour in public .

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